[01:02:07] welp I somehow forgot the NUC at home [01:02:28] but thankfully I'm going to dragonhacks so that means back home for the weekend [01:03:16] so that means IRC logs are coming from this droplet till I get the NUC back in my hands [01:08:44] oic [01:09:17] that was the box that hosted hx.vishwin.info [01:09:33] so I'll temporarily redo the DNS to point to this droplet for the time being… [01:42:09] *** Quits: majora (~majora@205.204.23.189) (Quit: Leaving) [14:27:15] *** Joins: majora (~majora@205.204.23.189) [14:27:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v majora [16:11:31] we have an (unintentional) shitpost, very reminiscent of HH: https://www.facebook.com/groups/wearehx/permalink/1717745145136670/ [16:11:32] Title: Log into Facebook | Facebook [16:12:11] looking at it now [16:12:53] obviously with these types of shitposts we should be gentler when telling them it's off topic [16:15:20] tfw gsingh93 replies to a closed postg [16:15:25] s/postg/post [16:15:25] iangcarroll probably meant: tfw gsingh93 replies to a closed post [16:15:39] my comment was "Just checking if hackbot is still working" [16:15:44] oh [16:15:45] i c [16:15:46] lol [16:15:46] lol [17:21:38] rekt [17:21:52] >not just directing them to uber.com [17:24:22] lol [17:24:52] damn it majora, let me repeat the last word of acronyms in peace [17:25:30] haha :p [20:38:50] iangcarroll I'm busy can you [20:38:51] [20:38:52] Title: Log into Facebook | Facebook [20:38:55] lol I'm watching [20:38:56] should we just delete it [20:39:01] no [20:39:21] I don't think this belongs in the group [20:39:22] lmao [20:39:41] indeed, and I'd say that's why we should close instead of delete [20:39:51] well [20:40:09] actually, we haven't defined jokes/memes, but this isn't a tech joke, is it? [20:41:53] is that a soldering iron? [20:41:54] i don't think it is [20:41:56] i'd vote to close [20:41:58] I couldn't tell [20:41:59] i'd say a joke about an image of someone related to tech consuming cocaine is not on topic [20:42:07] it's a grater majora [20:42:09] it kind of looked like the dude was slicing cheese with a vibrator [20:42:19] oic [20:42:32] yeah this is a close [20:44:14] low quality content is being closed [20:44:17] maybe dreams do come true [20:44:59] dpm [20:45:03] lol [20:45:07] s/dpm/don't let your dreams be memes [20:45:07] majora probably meant: don't let your dreams be memes [20:45:38] that is not an intuitive acronym :p [20:45:43] i really want a kind of tag associated with /close [20:45:52] like /close lowquality [20:46:00] /trashdumpyard [20:46:08] can we alias close to that please [20:46:12] kk [20:46:44] we can only use that on super trolly posts though [20:46:47] lolol [20:46:50] lol yeah [20:47:02] oh [20:47:04] anyways, what i was saying was if we closed with a tag, it'd be cool to search by that tag [20:47:15] its commands are inside its github repository... [20:47:18] like imagine being able to find all lowquality posts [20:47:21] i thought it was a seperate directory [20:49:05] well, it looks like we do have to fork hackbot to add commands [20:49:26] though we can PR ones that are serious lol [20:49:55] we should totally rewrite it [20:50:21] ...in PHP! [20:50:45] wanna try out https://github.com/amphp/amp so I may do just that [20:50:45] Title: amphp/amp · GitHub [20:50:48] but i also have no time so [20:53:05] gsingh93: can you test something for me? [20:53:08] >rewriting anything in php [20:53:14] >wanting me to kill you [20:53:16] f i t e m e [20:53:30] aslthough I'm fine with moving it away from le doot generation's meme language [20:54:39] was I wrong in telling him it was low quality [20:54:40] lmao [20:54:57] no [20:55:07] I feel like it's nice to know as a poster [20:59:13] we actually don't have the content policy in the sidebar [20:59:24] now that the draft post was replaced with the election one [20:59:30] election ones [21:01:16] https://imgur.com/BWWJ5ku [21:01:17] Title: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet [21:02:55] what is the uurl [21:03:01] for the log server [21:03:04] vishwin [21:06:16] fyi I'm responding [21:06:50] to [21:08:04] the post [21:08:43] oic [21:13:09] * vishwin just got back from TJ's [21:13:19] did we get a report for that post? [21:14:12] yes [21:14:16] Gulshan did [21:14:38] hmm. is this the first time you guys have gotten "backlash" (idk if that's the right word) for administration? [21:14:43] somewhat [21:14:55] no, it happened with the suicide post as well [21:14:55] I don't think that post is valid and obv others agree [21:14:59] oh yeah [21:15:02] but that was clearly wrong [21:15:17] it wasn't backlash it was more someone didn't understand [21:16:39] majora: I agree. It was low-quality. [21:16:55] I would have reported it. [21:17:18] I also agree [21:17:23] especially with gsingh93s comment [21:17:54] I think I handled it less maturely than iangcarroll did [21:18:14] yeah, but it's fine. We're learning this on the fly. [21:18:57] can I [21:19:00] de-mod myself [21:19:15] lolol [21:19:27] but then we'd need to write something about by-elections [21:19:31] i mean, I wouldn't [21:19:31] too much work :-P [21:19:41] why wouldn't you iangcarroll [21:19:42] especially that, i don't wanna write more election code [21:19:47] ^ [21:19:55] just pass it on to daniel [21:20:02] our policy is still a draft [21:20:28] and comments and questionable actions (though I don't consider yours one) are needed in order to improve it [21:20:37] I mean [21:20:58] First off, that post would be better off in CdT. Not HX. [21:21:11] majora: why don't you just let iangcarroll do the talking [21:21:13] lol [21:21:15] iangcarroll: he thinks the issue now is that we didn't know who it was [21:21:21] can you tell him it's not [21:21:33] majora: there's still tons of stuff you can do as an admin [21:21:45] i just think you're not good at explaining stuff :P [21:21:47] no offense [21:21:51] it's fine [21:21:51] I think it's pretty clear what kind of posts HX is aiming for. And tabloid, celeb worshipping isn't it. [21:22:11] sivoais: comments like that on the actual facebook thread would help [21:22:29] you don't need to stick around if people get argumentative [21:22:32] OK, I just didn't want to turn it into something flamy. [21:22:35] but at least putting it on there helps [21:22:39] yea, just leave if it gets flamy [21:22:42] Right-o [21:23:03] it shows that it's not just us who think the post is bad, and people can agree with the comment by liking it [21:25:53] I think it is kind of why we should've discuss what the goal of the group and define more clearly what type of conversation and stuff we want to foster [21:26:57] umm [21:27:05] that's exactly what we've been doing? [21:27:33] I feel like we haven't defined it [21:27:38] it's obviously very hard [21:27:57] like we haven't defined it in a fully enforceable and discussable manner because there is this confusion amongst members [21:28:09] so I feel like we haven't quite succeeded in doing such yet [21:28:14] does that make sense? [21:28:28] well [21:28:29] I was hoping that it would get better defined as more posts get up. In a way, modding HX is about editorial control as well. [21:28:33] we haven't merged content policy [21:28:39] but that's where that definition will go [21:28:47] for sure [21:28:51] i need help though [21:29:02] like i keep posting questions there for feedback [21:29:04] and i don't get any [21:30:20] yeah [21:30:25] then this happens [21:30:37] yup [21:30:51] but, for the record, "about hacker culture" does not imply "indirectly", right? [21:31:02] yes [21:31:16] indirectly could mean we get things of like Sam Altman in underwear [21:31:26] or Steve Jobs deleted movies singing in the shower [21:31:27] etc [21:33:01] okay, am I good to make the group public [21:33:04] because that's on our todo [21:33:09] (y) [21:33:33] cool it's public now [21:35:09] uh [21:35:12] majora: while you're making group changes [21:35:13] wtf is the hi post? [21:35:17] add the PR's to the sidebar [21:35:20] ok [21:35:36] shouldn't we merge the pr [21:35:39] and then just link the repo [21:35:48] majora: it should be merged when it's finished [21:35:58] iangcarroll: i don't fucking know... [21:36:02] not sure if trolling [21:36:06] or actually just saying hi [21:36:11] probably should message him [21:36:26] doesn't seem like a fake account [21:36:30] I have a couple mutual friends [21:36:57] gsingh93 so just link this pr ? [21:36:57] Title: Admin policy by gsingh93 · Pull Request #10 · wearehx/policies · GitHub [21:37:04] majora: and the other PR [21:37:17] I'll just link to the PR directory [21:37:25] [21:37:25] Title: Pull Requests · wearehx/policies · GitHub [21:38:01] i think it's better to link the individual PRs [21:38:07] but it's not a big deal either way [21:38:55] okay [21:39:02] I'm going to add this to the description [21:39:04] >We're currently working on moderation policy. If you'd like to read our current status or contribute check out and [21:39:04] Title: Admin policy by gsingh93 · Pull Request #10 · wearehx/policies · GitHub [21:39:23] sounds good [21:39:51] awesome [21:40:47] alright idk if I'm being trolled now [21:40:53] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wearehx/permalink/1717820138462504/?comment_id=1717828365128348&reply_comment_id=1717830991794752&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D [21:40:54] Title: Log into Facebook | Facebook [21:41:32] you are [21:41:48] idk he may not just understand [21:41:59] tbh though, the admin policy's way of defining stuff entirely with examples is proving problematic [21:42:11] yeah [21:42:12] s/admin/content [21:42:12] iangcarroll probably meant: tbh though, the content policy's way of defining stuff entirely with examples is proving problematic [21:42:14] agreed [21:43:16] We need negative examples [21:43:22] but lmao that might hurt someone's example [21:43:25] we can make some up [21:43:31] I don't think you're getting trolled and I don't think you should assume that [21:43:55] ugh, i can't deal with this guy's post [21:44:03] i responded to a comment thread [21:44:13] talking just about the content of that comment [21:44:25] and it's being framed as i'm ignoring the other, more important stuff [21:44:33] that i've already talked about in other comments [21:44:57] what do we do about Hi [21:44:58] lmao [21:44:59] iangcarroll: what happened to the hi post [21:45:07] it's just sitting there [21:45:20] a few people responded [21:45:34] just wondering if anyone messaged him [21:45:42] i did [21:45:59] no response? [21:46:11] maybe comment something along the lines of [21:46:12] >Hey David, welcome to HX we're glad you could join us! Why don't you go ahead and join us in IRC on freenode at #hx it's aimed more at conversational type of discussions [21:46:22] s/#hx/##hx [21:46:23] majora probably meant: >Hey David, welcome to HX we're glad you could join us! Why don't you go ahead and join us in IRC on freenode at ##hx it's aimed more at conversational type of discussions [21:47:08] fine by me. followed by a /close? [21:47:39] ugh there isn't anything in the content policy that says what we do about spam [21:47:47] there has to be... [21:47:49] well [21:47:51] wait [21:47:55] it does [21:48:02] gsingh93 sure [21:48:06] nvm, I read something wrong [21:48:16] yea, it does [21:48:51] You should cite the thing you're closing it under: "https://github.com/wearehx/policies/blob/content-policy/content-policy.md#what-makes-a-post-bad - see bullet point 1." [21:48:51] Title: policies/content-policy.md at content-policy · wearehx/policies · GitHub [21:49:38] err [21:49:42] I don't want to close that post [21:49:46] it seems unnecessary rn [21:50:08] well it's not clearly defined in the policy that it should be closed IMO [21:50:28] i think somewhere it says "all other content will be closed" [21:50:37] which is another problem [21:50:44] the admin policy allows us to close literally anything [21:50:49] no [21:50:52] you're misreading it [21:51:05] am I? [21:51:06] it says anything that violates can be deleted or closed [21:51:12] then it says the cases for deletion [21:51:20] and then it should say everything else should be closed [21:51:30] off the top of my head [21:51:32] well, not really [21:51:40] it gives reasons for deleting posts [21:51:46] and then says all other content will be closed [21:51:53] so we can close anything... [21:51:56] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wearehx/permalink/1717829738461544/?comment_id=1717833535127831 [21:51:56] Title: Log into Facebook | Facebook [21:53:12] iangcarroll: i'll fix that [21:53:22] good idea :p [21:55:53] also -- what was the rationale for making the group public? [21:56:10] no reason to keep it closed [21:56:45] and we don't want to limit access to discussions/other things shared in the group [21:56:54] especially given we can't change it after 5k members [21:57:10] moderation must be strict, then, for sure [21:57:22] I feel like this is gonna increase members like crazy [21:57:25] well, nothing's changing [21:57:33] everyone still has to be approved to join [21:57:55] it wasn't private so you should have been able to find it via search [21:58:06] that's what happened with HH in the beginning. It became public and people saw their friends post in it, etc. blew up really fast [21:58:19] okay I'm gonna be afk for a few [21:58:27] but they didn't have content policy, etc. so i guess that's the difference [21:58:32] and it didn't have good mods [21:58:59] ah, well, an influx of people relating to the existing members probably won't be too bad [22:02:51] "I'm pretty sure it was because of spam" wot [22:02:59] how does this fix spam [22:04:03] well now I'm confused [22:04:14] not that I wasn't earlier [22:06:25] Looks like the "hi" post was a real one... [22:07:00] yeah [22:07:01] lmao [23:28:06] [23:28:06] Title: Log into Facebook | Facebook [23:57:50] *** Quits: majora (~majora@205.204.23.189) (Quit: Leaving)