[00:25:41] <SamuelKelemen> anyone have heroku, aws, or digitalocean credits? I need to host a mongo isntance for collaboritive development with other univerisities
[00:30:43] * vishwin wishes digitalocean still honoured their credit coupons for existing accounts
[00:39:55] <SamuelKelemen> =(
[00:40:00] <SamuelKelemen> going with aws
[00:40:13] <SamuelKelemen> can anyone tell me which service i need?
[00:44:20] <iangcarroll> EC2 for running servers
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[01:17:04] <SamuelKelemen> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/hGVLYiuIQtUzTTiX4qL1?signature=08e7b902f2ad0aa4a3e45a4bfa03d3562f0a8ab1c12179a598dd576d2ac564b1&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTU3NzcyOTN9
[01:17:05] <SamuelKelemen> rip this is not at all intuitive
[01:24:32] <vishwin> lol
[01:25:19] <vishwin> I tried using AWS once
[01:25:23] <vishwin> …never again.
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[01:46:23] <vishwin> zomg
[01:46:24] <vishwin> com
[01:46:25] <vishwin> CRUD
[01:46:27] <vishwin> .
[02:03:18] <jglover> SamuelKelemen: did you get it sorted?
[02:16:51] <SamuelKelemen> nope
[02:17:24] <SamuelKelemen> I just ended up opening my ports and tunneling to the internet.... on a brand new pc... shiiit
[02:17:33] <m0shbear> gg
[02:17:40] <vishwin> lol
[02:17:48] <SamuelKelemen> lol no password needed
[02:17:54] <vishwin> uh oh.
[02:17:58] <m0shbear> oh myyy
[02:18:09] <SamuelKelemen> fire away: https://e78e0afc.ngrok.io
[02:18:10] <yossarian-bot> Title: App| Home
[02:18:56] <vishwin> meanwhile this is my predicament https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbemxOAVIAAzCId.jpg:orig
[02:19:25] <SamuelKelemen> let me get that tablet
[02:19:55] <vishwin> that ain't no tablet.
[02:19:58] <m0shbear> >needing a unicomp /and/ a think eyboard
[02:20:11] <vishwin> that ain't no think keyboard either.
[02:20:15] <SamuelKelemen> let me get that monitor
[02:20:33] <vishwin> lol the monitor is some money
[02:20:35] <vishwin> 4K dawg
[02:20:42] <SamuelKelemen> fuck keyboards without letters. tried that once, and then tried to write some code, and some passwords, and i killed myself
[02:20:48] <SamuelKelemen> wuuuuuut
[02:20:50] <SamuelKelemen> jelly
[02:21:04] <vishwin> mostly because my laptop (thinkpad W550s) has a 3K screen
[02:21:11] <vishwin> so can't use normal DPI monitors
[02:21:46] <SamuelKelemen> my monitors are 2.5k from hella long ago
[02:21:50] <vishwin> the "tablet"…is a pi.
[02:38:55] <jglover> ok
[02:39:32] <jglover> SamuelKelemen: you wrote code?
[02:43:04] <SamuelKelemen> tes
[02:43:06] <SamuelKelemen> yes
[02:43:17] <SamuelKelemen> wait, what are you asking?
[02:43:30] <jglover> i never did it before. i thought code was a meme.
[02:43:59] <SamuelKelemen> wut?
[04:26:02] <SamuelKelemen> digital ocean goes so much quicker than aws
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[13:21:39] <nimajneb> ┬┴┬┴┤ ͜ʖ ͡°) ˢᵘʰ ᵈᵘᵈᵉ ├┬┴┬┴
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[14:32:47] <jglover> do any of you absolutely love a language?
[14:32:55] <jglover> I don't think I hold any allegiances that strong.
[14:35:30] <vishwin> I can't say I do either.
[14:36:10] <vishwin> the concepts and design patterns matter more
[14:37:18] <jglover> I also don't think I could properly defend one language against another. If I said "I LOVE Ruby" and somebody said "why? Python is better" I wouldn't really have a great response to that. The conversation would probably devolve into my not caring.
[14:37:22] <jglover> *me
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[15:01:07] <vishwin> I'd just argue on concepts, design patterns and taste/mentality
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[15:02:54] <vishwin> in the end what matters are following the blueprint and logical correctness
[15:03:20] <vishwin> and taste/mentality certainly play roles in how those principles get implemented
[15:04:46] <jglover> in the end only the user matters
[15:04:48] <jglover> http://tinyclouds.org/rant.html
[15:04:48] <yossarian-bot> Title: I hate almost all software
[15:05:23] <vishwin> long-term maintainability and correctness matter too
[15:06:19] <vishwin> and the author of that rant, judging by his tone, clearly hasn't tried the BSDs
[15:06:46] <jglover> im posting that link with my tongue slightly in my cheek. In any case I agree with you. but I don't think I could engage in a language battle without context. That's why I can't love a language in general. but i could maybe really love the benefits a language gives me for a project.
[15:07:23] <vishwin> oh yeah, context most certainly matters
[15:07:52] <vishwin> like, prototyping versus production
[15:10:23] <jglover> what do you work with for the most part? what's your go to prototyping language?
[15:10:58] <jglover> oh and fyi, the author of that rant also speaks to the elegance and simplicity of bsd, briefly, in another talk.
[15:13:04] <vishwin> ah nice
[15:13:36] <vishwin> python is my go-to prototyping language only because I've used it far too much
[15:14:54] <m0shbear> mine is perl because i do an awful lot of scripting involving string manipulation
[15:15:25] <m0shbear> also, 2-5x less LoC than C++11
[15:15:45] <m0shbear> yes, it's slower, but it's run more rarely, so doesn't matter that much
[15:16:05] <jglover> m0shbear: curious, you're still in University, yeah?
[15:16:13] <jglover> i believe you're the UoT guy
[15:16:38] <m0shbear> I'm too lazy to change my facebook to state that i've graduated
[15:16:48] <vishwin> lol sounds about right.
[15:17:04] <jglover> i see. when did you learn perl, and why did you learn perl?
[15:17:38] <m0shbear> can't recall, and because awk was too sed-y
[15:18:07] <m0shbear> aka i like shell scripts but i want expressiveness and noice regexes
[15:18:46] <m0shbear> i should get around to learning perl 6, at least because its OO isn't horribly low-level out of the box
[15:19:26] <jglover> I only worked with Perl when I was at a company working with very old technology
[15:19:30] <jglover> we also all wrote very bad perl
[15:19:45] <jglover> I was the first one to start refactoring things into modules so we could re-use
[15:20:32] <jglover> anyway, I asked when because I was wondering if you learned it because everybody else was using it, or because it was legacy
[15:20:39] <m0shbear> half the perl i touch, i refactor heavily, because jfc their code is horribly inefficient
[15:20:47] <m0shbear> also, expect zero comments
[15:22:52] <jglover> i've just been writing scripts in ruby lately
[15:23:07] <jglover> i don't need to do any text manipulation
[15:25:13] <vishwin> yeah most of my ish is primitive message passing
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[15:26:29] <m0shbear> message passing in perl isn't that bad with ithreads and work queues
[15:26:44] <vishwin> I said *primitive*…
[15:27:04] <m0shbear> use c++11 and concurrent containers, then
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[15:28:34] <vishwin> …between discrete components that may very well be multiple microcontrollers
[15:29:48] <m0shbear> fine
[15:29:49] <m0shbear> erlang
[15:29:55] <jglover> heh
[15:30:19] <vishwin> heh
[15:31:18] <gsingh93> lol: https://status.heroku.com/incidents/854
[15:31:19] <yossarian-bot> Title: Heroku Status
[15:31:20] <gsingh93> iangcarroll:
[15:31:29] <gsingh93> woke up with a 1000 charge this morning :P
[15:31:52] <gsingh93> s/1000/$1000
[15:31:52] <yossarian-bot> gsingh93 probably meant: woke up with a $1000 charge this morning :P
[15:32:36] <vishwin> > heroku
[15:32:45] <jglover> gsingh93: did they actually charge it, or the invoice just displayed bad data?
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[15:32:52] <gsingh93> just the invoice
[15:33:08] <jglover> phew
[15:35:42] <m0shbear> gsingh93: is the & character in sed really that underrated
[15:35:47] <m0shbear> foobaz
[15:35:52] <m0shbear> s/foo/&bar/
[15:35:52] <yossarian-bot> m0shbear probably meant: &barbaz
[15:36:01] <m0shbear> BAD BOT BAD
[15:36:07] <gsingh93> apparently yes
[15:36:09] * m0shbear slaps yossarian-bot around a bit with a large trout
[15:36:11] <dabockster> lel
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[15:36:23] <gsingh93> > tries to act elitist, fails
[15:36:34] <m0shbear> I use it in sed and perl all the time
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[15:36:47] <m0shbear> yossarian-bot is just excessively gimped
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[15:37:19] <m0shbear> foobaz
[15:37:24] <m0shbear> s/foo/\&bar/
[15:37:24] <yossarian-bot> m0shbear probably meant: foobarbaz
[15:37:27] <m0shbear> there we go
[15:37:30] <m0shbear> gsingh93: ^
[15:39:52] <m0shbear> that said, $& is a bad practice in perl since it's horribly unoptimized in early perls
[15:39:55] <m0shbear> WARNING: If your code is to run on Perl 5.16 or earlier, beware that once Perl sees that you need one of $& , $` , or $' anywhere in the program, it has to provide them for every pattern match. This may substantially slow your program.
[15:40:03] <m0shbear> (from perldoc perlre)
[15:40:15] <dabockster> Perl, eh? that's a name that I haven't heard in a long time...
[15:40:27] <m0shbear> nothing BEGIN { die unless $] > "5.020000" } can't fix :)
[15:40:49] <m0shbear> gsingh93: you were saying?
[15:43:25] <m0shbear> given the behavior of '&', it's almost certain that yossarian-bot uses posix EREs in its s///
[15:44:06] <m0shbear> as per http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/sed.html,  An <ampersand> ( '&' ) appearing in the replacement shall be replaced by the string matching the BRE
[15:44:07] <yossarian-bot> Title: Unknown
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[15:44:36] <m0shbear> and the big difference between basic and extended is complementary backslashing requirements for metacharacters
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[16:53:39] <iangcarroll> gg
[16:53:53] <iangcarroll> lol
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[17:01:28] <majora> someone recommend me a Noam Chomsky book
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[17:24:27] <cydrobolt> majora, AP Psychology is the bane of my existence
[17:24:38] <majora> wot
[17:24:44] <vishwin_> lel
[17:24:54] <majora> I passed AP Psych easily
[17:24:55] <majora> lol
[17:25:30] <m0shbear> >bane
[17:25:32] <m0shbear> FOR YOU
[17:25:56] <cydrobolt> majora, my teacher just reads off the board for 1 hour each day
[17:26:07] <cydrobolt> he doesn't really even try to engage us
[17:26:15] <majora> my teacher didn't either
[17:26:18] <majora> I know your struggle
[17:26:21] <cydrobolt> doesn't realize we can read off the board as well
[17:26:37] <cydrobolt> his room is always freezing...
[17:26:39] <majora> the subject matter was interesting to me tho so I just focused on it in my book
[17:26:43] <cydrobolt> generally not a good experience
[17:26:48] <cydrobolt> I regret taking that class lol
[17:27:10] <majora> I mean
[17:27:19] <majora> AP credit will make your college life easier
[17:27:35] <m0shbear> only for a subset of first yar
[17:27:37] <m0shbear> year
[17:27:52] <majora> yeah
[17:28:06] <majora> but in the long run it's some less credits you have to shill out for tho
[17:28:13] <majora> and HS is a fucking joke anyways so why not do it
[17:28:23] <nimajneb> HS is a dank meme
[17:28:26] <nimajneb> I had a great time
[17:28:49] <m0shbear> dank meme is a dank meme
[17:28:56] <majora> lol
[17:29:36] <cydrobolt> m0shbear, u r a dank meme
[17:29:59] <m0shbear> cydrobolt: fucking right
[17:40:45] <vishwin_> lol high school
[17:41:11] <vishwin_> except my high school was a kinda big deal…
[17:44:25] <m0shbear> < m0shbear> FOR YOU
[17:48:30] <vishwin_> more like kobe went there…
[17:56:59] <cydrobolt> vishwin, WAIT vishwin ur from lower merion?
[17:57:15] <cydrobolt> vishwin_ ^
[17:58:14] <cydrobolt> vishwin_, i went to radnor lol
[17:58:19] <cydrobolt> s/went/going to
[17:58:19] <yossarian-bot> cydrobolt probably meant: vishwin_, i going to to radnor lol
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[18:04:00] <vishwin_> that's right cydrobolt, I knew that
[18:05:03] <cydrobolt> lol
[18:05:13] <cydrobolt> we have yearly anti-lm weeks
[18:05:19] <cydrobolt> fun fun fun
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[19:22:14] <SamuelKelemen> lol HS was great (in retrospect)
[19:23:01] <iangcarroll> yeah, it's so fun :p
[19:23:52] <SamuelKelemen> advice - go for all the chicks, make mistakes, and be yourself. Don't give a fuck, because after four years, you'll never see any of those plebs again. Their opinions matter little.
[19:25:29] <iangcarroll> luckily my grade only has like 30 people in it, so pretty chill
[19:27:11] <jglover> HS was so dumb
[19:27:19] <jglover> what a terrible time
[19:28:37] <vishwin_> middle school was the actual ass
[19:28:52] <jglover> both were pretty silly
[19:28:55] <vishwin_> everybody in middle school acted like dicks because hormone changes
[19:28:55] <jglover> constant boredom
[19:29:58] <vishwin_> so who here is headed to MHacks tomorrow
[19:30:00] <vishwin_> cold_sauce?
[19:31:20] <iangcarroll> got rejekted
[19:31:25] <iangcarroll> or waitlisted
[19:31:26] <majora> holy fuck
[19:31:29] <majora> I'm kekking so hard
[19:31:36] <SamuelKelemen> some one give me a generic name for an application
[19:31:40] <majora> president obama talking about how he values anonymity <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cOLF9k6FAw>
[19:31:40] <yossarian-bot> Title: President Obama on Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee w/ Jerry Seinfeld
[19:31:45] <iangcarroll> ACME App
[19:31:53] <majora> ~about 16:40
[19:31:58] <SamuelKelemen> lol less generic than that
[19:32:02] <jglover> SamuelKelemen: app.ly
[19:32:09] <majora> 6:40 not 16:40
[19:32:10] <jglover> app.io
[19:32:22] <SamuelKelemen> are any of those available?
[19:32:43] <jglover> whats the best domain name that you guys own?
[19:32:48] <iangcarroll> ian.sh
[19:32:59] <jglover> i own jonah.wtf
[19:33:12] <jglover> neuralneat.com i own
[19:33:13] <jglover> pretty good one
[19:33:23] <jglover> machiin.es and machiines.com
[19:33:27] <jglover> those are probably my best
[19:33:49] * vishwin_ just renewed his only domain name yesterday
[19:37:38] <SamuelKelemen> shit
[19:38:56] <jglover> mm?
[19:39:44] <SamuelKelemen> kill.me is available
[19:41:30] <jglover> no its not
[19:41:35] <jglover> that would be dope
[19:42:02] <jglover> i think domain squatters ruin the fun for everybody
[19:44:36] <m0shbear> did they also squat fuck.me or is a legitimate (>implying) cam or dating site using that?
[19:45:00] <vishwin_> LOL sh.it is unassignable
[19:45:11] <jglover> kek
[19:45:11] <m0shbear> lol
[19:45:25] <m0shbear> what about awsh.it ?
[19:45:41] <vishwin_> registered
[19:46:01] <vishwin_> and the real whois info for that domain is in the clear
[19:46:05] <vishwin_> aka unobfuscated
[19:46:26] <jglover> awsh seems like it could be a name
[19:46:57] <vishwin_> apparently it's affiliated with reliance consulting
[19:47:04] <vishwin_> seems to be italian
[19:48:07] <SamuelKelemen> @vishwin_ domains generally have to be 3+ chars
[19:48:16] <jglover> o.co
[19:48:45] <SamuelKelemen> yeah, they're not for general registrar though. you have contact the registrar
[19:49:19] <jglover> oic
[19:51:30] <jglover> do you guys use FIXME, TODO, and XXX in your comments?
[19:51:34] <m0shbear> yes
[19:52:08] <jglover> have those got a name?
[19:52:16] <jglover> meta-comments
[19:52:45] <jglover> i want to google for a list of all of them.
[19:53:43] <SamuelKelemen> lol im going to buy beer.ca and redirect it to molsons
[19:54:32] <m0shbear> very lewd
[19:56:17] <iangcarroll> certly.io is more fancy now
[19:57:00] <jglover> iangcarroll: very dark
[19:57:35] <SamuelKelemen> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/jesbKduETo6irsfVw7Ry?signature=bd82fcabf2ed66c204538551ce435abccb846a5239e77493b27d472800cdb4ba&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTU4NDY2OTl9
[19:57:57] <jglover> poe@certly.io
[19:58:01] <SamuelKelemen> jglover type the konami code, and it goes all pastel
[19:58:39] <iangcarroll> lies
[19:58:40] <iangcarroll> :P
[19:58:46] <SamuelKelemen> shhhh.sh
[19:59:05] <jglover> i don't even know the konami code
[19:59:06] <jglover> so it's fine
[19:59:43] <SamuelKelemen> up, up, down, down, left, right, b, a
[19:59:57] <jglover> oh ive heard of that
[20:00:00] <jglover> for video games, right?
[20:00:40] <SamuelKelemen> yeah, and basically everything these days
[20:00:54] <SamuelKelemen> lots of websites implement konami code easter eggs
[20:01:08] <jglover> SamuelKelemen: was it you or jeroen that was trying to scrape google finance for stock prices?
[20:03:21] <SamuelKelemen> not me. there are a bunch of APIs for that
[20:03:32] <jglover> i get you guys mixed up for some reason
[20:03:35] <SamuelKelemen> plus, I have access to bloomber
[20:03:50] <SamuelKelemen> i dont even know who jeroen is
[20:03:58] <jglover> the guy i get you mixed up with
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[20:05:05] <SamuelKelemen> looks like he might be a cohort of Michael Bailey
[20:06:38] <vishwin_> lol
[20:08:37] <jglover> have any of you read "Javascript: the good parts" ?
[20:09:15] <jglover> oh nevermind, found something that answered my questions
[20:10:02] <vishwin_> meanwhile I'm sitting here briefing myself on ncurses
[20:10:26] <jglover> for what reason?
[20:10:41] <vishwin_> the hack
[20:10:53] <jglover> what is "the hack" ?
[20:11:21] <vishwin_> I'll let more people know when we actually start building it tomorrow
[20:11:27] <jglover> oh you're going to mhacks
[20:11:35] <jglover> i stopped getting accepted to mhacks
[20:11:38] <jglover> or any hacks
[20:11:39] <jglover> :(
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[20:12:44] <vishwin_> most hackathons should not have application processes
[20:12:51] <vishwin_> given the attendance/bail rate
[20:13:21] <jglover> i would get so sleepy. its probably good i don't go anymore
[20:13:46] <jglover> i wanted to go to UofT hacks
[20:14:02] <jglover> but they never confirmed or denied my application. I think i applied too early and something got broken.
[20:14:24] <Nat> i STILL haven't been reimbursed for YHack
[20:14:27] <vishwin_> that's fucked
[20:14:38] <Nat> i gotta pay rent yo
[20:14:39] <vishwin_> what happened with both UofT and YHack
[20:14:55] <vishwin_> I only just got reimbursed from YHack like a couple weeks ago
[20:15:00] <vishwin_> because venmo limits
[20:15:25] <vishwin_> considering they basically paid for everybody's plane tickets lol
[20:15:40] <vishwin_> and I was the weirdo with a rental car
[20:15:52] <Nat> vishwin_: yeah they must have got the venue for free because they paid for a LOT of tickets
[20:15:53] <jglover> does YHack ever make the pun. "Y Hack? " and then tell you about programming ?
[20:16:02] <Nat> vishwin_: but yeah, i think they messed up
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